What's up with Target & Walmart of late..?

pristine_matrix · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject:

Voodoo wrote:

I would say, as a postscript to the above stuff ^^

There are plenty of forums now where you can't say whatever you want to say about this movie without being censored and/or jumped on by some high-horse-rider telling you what you're allowed to think/post.

If we're gonna say we can't air our views on here then we might as well not bother posting anymore.

I made the choice, along with several others here, to escape the nasty and hostile atmosphere @ TFLive, to quit the place, a place I loved. The same choice applies here. If someone doesn't like the tone of our posts, nobody is forcing them to read them.

Its kinda like turning up at Burger King and demanding meat is taken off the menu.

Having said that, I do sympathise, and I am gonna wrk on cutting out the repetition - but by the same token, a blind eye might have to be turned to certain posts/topics.

A blind eye in an unrelated topic? How do toy stocks relate to being unhappy about the movie? Kinda hard to turn a blind eye when the same negativity ends up in here, isn't it.

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Covenant · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject:

pristine_matrix wrote:

Voodoo wrote:

I would say, as a postscript to the above stuff ^^

There are plenty of forums now where you can't say whatever you want to say about this movie without being censored and/or jumped on by some high-horse-rider telling you what you're allowed to think/post.

If we're gonna say we can't air our views on here then we might as well not bother posting anymore.

I made the choice, along with several others here, to escape the nasty and hostile atmosphere @ TFLive, to quit the place, a place I loved. The same choice applies here. If someone doesn't like the tone of our posts, nobody is forcing them to read them.

Its kinda like turning up at Burger King and demanding meat is taken off the menu.

Having said that, I do sympathise, and I am gonna wrk on cutting out the repetition - but by the same token, a blind eye might have to be turned to certain posts/topics.

A blind eye in an unrelated topic? How do toy stocks relate to being unhappy about the movie? Kinda hard to turn a blind eye when the same negativity ends up in here, isn't it.

That might actually hold up if it was "the same negativity". But it's not. A negative remark regarding the film is perfectly valid & honest. Negativity expressed in the manner of someone not being allowed to say as such is the kind of negativity not allowed here.

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pristine_matrix · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject:

Covenant wrote:

pristine_matrix wrote:

Voodoo wrote:

I would say, as a postscript to the above stuff ^^

There are plenty of forums now where you can't say whatever you want to say about this movie without being censored and/or jumped on by some high-horse-rider telling you what you're allowed to think/post.

If we're gonna say we can't air our views on here then we might as well not bother posting anymore.

I made the choice, along with several others here, to escape the nasty and hostile atmosphere @ TFLive, to quit the place, a place I loved. The same choice applies here. If someone doesn't like the tone of our posts, nobody is forcing them to read them.

Its kinda like turning up at Burger King and demanding meat is taken off the menu.

Having said that, I do sympathise, and I am gonna wrk on cutting out the repetition - but by the same token, a blind eye might have to be turned to certain posts/topics.

A blind eye in an unrelated topic? How do toy stocks relate to being unhappy about the movie? Kinda hard to turn a blind eye when the same negativity ends up in here, isn't it.

That might actually hold up if it was "the same negativity". But it's not. A negative remark regarding the film is perfectly valid & honest. Negativity expressed in the manner of someone not being allowed to say as such is the kind of negativity not allowed here.

Are you stating that I'm not allowed express my negative feelings towards it, because it may infringe on the freedom of others?

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Covenant · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject:

I'm stating that unlike places such as DM.net where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is bullied off the board, TFL where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is deleted/censored/otherwise not allowed, and Bay.com where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is outright banned, here at TFLost someone can freely state "I love the movie designs" and not be dogged on, state "Fuck the movie designs" and not be dogged on, and the only items debated or discussed are the finer points rather than a validity of someone's personal opinion/preference on media. Voo doesn't like quite the majority from IDW. I don't care a whole helluva lot for Dreamwave. Many here don't care in the slightest (and in a variety of ways) for aspects of the film, and as they can state so freely here without worry of post deletion & personal attack there's a number more of them then there are folks that like the film. Yet even then there are those present that dig in a variety of ways aspects of the film. What I'm stating is a request that you do respect the fact people will/may have an opinion unlike yours regarding things like the film, yes. You may disagree with that view on the movie, may even be tired of it, but that does not make said view wrong. Doesn't make their opinion a fact either, but in any case it's about respecting the view & not disrespecting the fact someone holds that view. And while one might be inclined to say that negativity can breed negativity to a point where you begin to dislike people you once cared about, I'd be more one to say negativity is as valid as positivity when it comes to standpoints, and its only in the mind of who reads it where its made into something positive (praise of another of or not of the same mind) or negative (critisism of another of or not of the same mind); ties of family & friendship are stronger than an opinion in the end. And in any case, note some have already taken a look at their commentary here & there, and been noted to say they'd work on it.

And Pris...

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pristine_matrix · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject:

Covenant wrote:

I'm stating that unlike places such as DM.net where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is bullied off the board, TFL where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is deleted/censored/otherwise not allowed, and Bay.com where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is outright banned, here at TFLost someone can freely state "I love the movie designs" and not be dogged on, state "Fuck the movie designs" and not be dogged on, and the only items debated or discussed are the finer points rather than a validity of someone's personal opinion/preference on media. Voo doesn't like quite the majority from IDW. I don't care a whole helluva lot for Dreamwave. Many here don't care in the slightest (and in a variety of ways) for aspects of the film, and as they can state so freely here without worry of post deletion & personal attack there's a number more of them then there are folks that like the film. Yet even then there are those present that dig in a variety of ways aspects of the film. What I'm stating is a request that you do respect the fact people will/may have an opinion unlike yours regarding things like the film, yes. You may disagree with that view on the movie, may even be tired of it, but that does not make said view wrong. Doesn't make their opinion a fact either, but in any case it's about respecting the view & not disrespecting the fact someone holds that view. And while one might be inclined to say that negativity can breed negativity to a point where you begin to dislike people you once cared about, I'd be more one to say negativity is as valid as positivity when it comes to standpoints, and its only in the mind of who reads it where its made into something positive (praise of another of or not of the same mind) or negative (critisism of another of or not of the same mind); ties of family & friendship are stronger than an opinion in the end. And in any case, note some have already taken a look at their commentary here & there, and been noted to say they'd work on it.

And Pris...

Great pic. Smile

However, my point is not that I don't like peoples negative views full stop.

My point is that, there are plenty of other areas on any board that are more suitable for those types of comments, whether negative or positive.

A comment either way about something that is not relevant to a specific topic so much so that it may take it off topic, especially when concerning such a sensitive subject as the movie, should be kept to the relevant areas.

Not only does that fall into the realm of standard board protocol, but it is also just common courtesy for those of us who may be sick of reading about how annoyed or disgusted people may be. Like wise, I consider it courteous for me not to go into a thread that is directly related to the negative feedback towards the subject matter, and start speaking my mind about how great everything is.

Otherwise, Lost would have the imbalance that is TFL.

Lets say, for the sake of an example, that the negativity continues to spill over into other threads, threads that I am interested in that do not pertain to the movie, such as "G2 Toys" or "What's up with Target & Walmart of late..?". Yet, I deliberately avoid threads related to the movie because I want to "turn a blind eye" to the negative comments. Where does that leave me?

In a "deal with it or leave" situation?

The very nature of people being free to say "what they want, when they want and where they want" isn't all sweetness and light for everyone, especially those who try and give others that free space to throw in their two cents.

I contribute less to this, and other boards, because I can't be arsed dealing with topics that will inevitably play host to several negative comments about the movie.

I personally couldn't give a shit if the movie is good or bad any more.

But I also personally can't be arsed dealing with 80% of the threads containing comments about how "Bayformers sucks" or "I've been waiting ____ years for this movie and they've ruined it!"

A level of respect should be met for both types of contributors in order for the board to thrive and function as a "community", no?

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Voodoo · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:04 am Post subject:

pristine_matrix wrote:

A blind eye in an unrelated topic? How do toy stocks relate to being unhappy about the movie? Kinda hard to turn a blind eye when the same negativity ends up in here, isn't it.

Are you now saying we're not allowed to ramble off topic?

You seem to have read more into my 'movie toy shitstorm' post then I ever meant. That wasn't even a dig at the movie in the slightest, and needed no hidden agenda read into it. Yet you've seen red over it. Go back, re-read it without that bias and try and understand it as I actually meant it:

There is gonna be a HUGE deluge of Transformers merchandising hitting the stores on the back of the movie. Fact. Hasbro ARE letting existing stocks dwindle before the movie stuff comes in. Fact. - hence my comments in regards to why Target et al are woefully understocked.

"It's the lull before the movie toy shitstorm"

Fact.

I think the fact you know I'm less than impressed with certain aspects of the movie has coloured your judgement when you read my comments.

And, I take it, the thing in the G2 thread was my comment about not liking movie Prime's head? A pretty innocuous comment you're blowing up out of all proportion. I span off onto talking about Beast Wars in that thread too, but THAT's okay with you? Yet discussion of the movie is off limits?

How does that logic work?

I don't wanna argue with you hon. I REALLY don't. I still hurt and feel bad about what happened before between us, but I don't think you're being fair.

If you want to read posts devoid of disapointment regarding the movie, the 'ravers' section of TFLive, DMNet & Mr Bays site all cater for that exact need. What other board, other than here, caters for those of us not in that camp, and allows anyone their say? And now you're saying we're not even allowed that?

Anyway, that's me done on the subject. I think I'm gonna take a break from the board for a while.

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Covenant · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:54 am Post subject:

pristine_matrix wrote:

Covenant wrote:

I'm stating that unlike places such as DM.net where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is bullied off the board, TFL where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is deleted/censored/otherwise not allowed, and Bay.com where an opinion on (normally) the Transformers that isn't largely cared for is outright banned, here at TFLost someone can freely state "I love the movie designs" and not be dogged on, state "Fuck the movie designs" and not be dogged on, and the only items debated or discussed are the finer points rather than a validity of someone's personal opinion/preference on media. Voo doesn't like quite the majority from IDW. I don't care a whole helluva lot for Dreamwave. Many here don't care in the slightest (and in a variety of ways) for aspects of the film, and as they can state so freely here without worry of post deletion & personal attack there's a number more of them then there are folks that like the film. Yet even then there are those present that dig in a variety of ways aspects of the film. What I'm stating is a request that you do respect the fact people will/may have an opinion unlike yours regarding things like the film, yes. You may disagree with that view on the movie, may even be tired of it, but that does not make said view wrong. Doesn't make their opinion a fact either, but in any case it's about respecting the view & not disrespecting the fact someone holds that view. And while one might be inclined to say that negativity can breed negativity to a point where you begin to dislike people you once cared about, I'd be more one to say negativity is as valid as positivity when it comes to standpoints, and its only in the mind of who reads it where its made into something positive (praise of another of or not of the same mind) or negative (critisism of another of or not of the same mind); ties of family & friendship are stronger than an opinion in the end. And in any case, note some have already taken a look at their commentary here & there, and been noted to say they'd work on it.

And Pris...

Great pic. Smile

However, my point is not that I don't like peoples negative views full stop.

My point is that, there are plenty of other areas on any board that are more suitable for those types of comments, whether negative or positive.

A comment either way about something that is not relevant to a specific topic so much so that it may take it off topic, especially when concerning such a sensitive subject as the movie, should be kept to the relevant areas.

Not only does that fall into the realm of standard board protocol, but it is also just common courtesy for those of us who may be sick of reading about how annoyed or disgusted people may be. Like wise, I consider it courteous for me not to go into a thread that is directly related to the negative feedback towards the subject matter, and start speaking my mind about how great everything is.

Otherwise, Lost would have the imbalance that is TFL.

Lets say, for the sake of an example, that the negativity continues to spill over into other threads, threads that I am interested in that do not pertain to the movie, such as "G2 Toys" or "What's up with Target & Walmart of late..?". Yet, I deliberately avoid threads related to the movie because I want to "turn a blind eye" to the negative comments. Where does that leave me?

In a "deal with it or leave" situation?

The very nature of people being free to say "what they want, when they want and where they want" isn't all sweetness and light for everyone, especially those who try and give others that free space to throw in their two cents.

I contribute less to this, and other boards, because I can't be arsed dealing with topics that will inevitably play host to several negative comments about the movie.

I personally couldn't give a shit if the movie is good or bad any more.

But I also personally can't be arsed dealing with 80% of the threads containing comments about how "Bayformers sucks" or "I've been waiting ____ years for this movie and they've ruined it!"

A level of respect should be met for both types of contributors in order for the board to thrive and function as a "community", no?

I really don't know what else to tell you on the majority of it all, other than what would simply be reiterating what's already been said.

Voodoo wrote:

pristine_matrix wrote:

A blind eye in an unrelated topic? How do toy stocks relate to being unhappy about the movie? Kinda hard to turn a blind eye when the same negativity ends up in here, isn't it.

Are you now saying we're not allowed to ramble off topic?

You seem to have read more into my 'movie toy shitstorm' post then I ever meant. That wasn't even a dig at the movie in the slightest, and needed no hidden agenda read into it. Yet you've seen red over it. Go back, re-read it without that bias and try and understand it as I actually meant it:

There is gonna be a HUGE deluge of Transformers merchandising hitting the stores on the back of the movie. Fact. Hasbro ARE letting existing stocks dwindle before the movie stuff comes in. Fact. - hence my comments in regards to why Target et al are woefully understocked.

"It's the lull before the movie toy shitstorm"

Fact.

I think the fact you know I'm less than impressed with certain aspects of the movie has coloured your judgement when you read my comments.

And, I take it, the thing in the G2 thread was my comment about not liking movie Prime's head? A pretty innocuous comment you're blowing up out of all proportion. I span off onto talking about Beast Wars in that thread too, but THAT's okay with you? Yet discussion of the movie is off limits?

How does that logic work?

I don't wanna argue with you hon. I REALLY don't. I still hurt and feel bad about what happened before between us, but I don't think you're being fair.

If you want to read posts devoid of disapointment regarding the movie, the 'ravers' section of TFLive, DMNet & Mr Bays site all cater for that exact need. What other board, other than here, caters for those of us not in that camp, and allows anyone their say? And now you're saying we're not even allowed that?

Anyway, that's me done on the subject. I think I'm gonna take a break from the board for a while.

Thanks for that, and I feelya on that last note...

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KneonT · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:15 am Post subject:

Another fight. Over a dumb movie. Can't we all just get along? Crying or Very sad

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pristine_matrix · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject:

Voodoo wrote:

pristine_matrix wrote:

A blind eye in an unrelated topic? How do toy stocks relate to being unhappy about the movie? Kinda hard to turn a blind eye when the same negativity ends up in here, isn't it.

Are you now saying we're not allowed to ramble off topic?

You seem to have read more into my 'movie toy shitstorm' post then I ever meant. That wasn't even a dig at the movie in the slightest, and needed no hidden agenda read into it. Yet you've seen red over it. Go back, re-read it without that bias and try and understand it as I actually meant it:

There is gonna be a HUGE deluge of Transformers merchandising hitting the stores on the back of the movie. Fact. Hasbro ARE letting existing stocks dwindle before the movie stuff comes in. Fact. - hence my comments in regards to why Target et al are woefully understocked.

"It's the lull before the movie toy shitstorm"

Fact.

I think the fact you know I'm less than impressed with certain aspects of the movie has coloured your judgement when you read my comments.

And, I take it, the thing in the G2 thread was my comment about not liking movie Prime's head? A pretty innocuous comment you're blowing up out of all proportion. I span off onto talking about Beast Wars in that thread too, but THAT's okay with you? Yet discussion of the movie is off limits?

How does that logic work?

I don't wanna argue with you hon. I REALLY don't. I still hurt and feel bad about what happened before between us, but I don't think you're being fair.

If you want to read posts devoid of disapointment regarding the movie, the 'ravers' section of TFLive, DMNet & Mr Bays site all cater for that exact need. What other board, other than here, caters for those of us not in that camp, and allows anyone their say? And now you're saying we're not even allowed that?

Anyway, that's me done on the subject. I think I'm gonna take a break from the board for a while.

This is nothing personal Voo. I used recent examples.

Fair point on the Beast Wars thing.

I feel that pointing me in the direction of TFL or DM.net is unfair. I never said I wanted to read post that were firmly placed in either camp.

My point was that I'm sick of reading about the movie, which, by all accounts, is largely negative. And it's a case of yes, one post about how you(or anyone) feels about the deagins/or toys have had a snowball effect. One post is one thing. Continual comments is too much.

I identify with how both sides feel about this movie. But I'm sick of hearing both arguments.

Like I said, it wasn't a personal attack on anyone. If you feel that you need to leave this place because of me expressing my feelings on the matter, ok then. Unfair, but ok.

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Covenant wrote:

I really don't know what else to tell you on the majority of it all, other than what would simply be reiterating what's already been said.

I don't want this to sound the wrong way but that feels like a "Deal with it or leave" incentive. Which I know isn't you style. But thats how it comes across to me.

I dont want to carry this on in the forum. I think its causing disharmony which is not what I wanted in the slightest. I wanted to speak my mind, which, seeing as VooDoo has chosen to split the board for a bit, isn't allowed without offending some folks.

If it has, apologies. Not my intention.

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Bulldog · Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject:

Voodoo wrote:

I think I'm gonna take a break from the board for a while.

Again? *sigh* It's only. A. Bloody. Movie. Not. The. End. Of. The. Bloody. World.

*Watches door swing...*

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Wreck and Rule · Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:24 am Post subject:

....so, Target and Wal-Mart, huh?

We don't have those round our way.

Tesco's is stocking classics in a big way though.

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poisoncow · Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:02 am Post subject:

Yeah, Tesco, heard about that place. Good times that Tesco

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