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Covenant Lost Admin

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: Optimus & the Matrix...capabilities? |
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I suppose this should extend into other Primes as well to be truthful.
What is it the Matrix grants?
It alters the outer, and with that inner form of the carryer most times, increasing size & stature. It's a source of life somehow. It has the ability to destroy Unicron with a few eminations. It's said to bestow knowledge from the past.
How? Why?
Does the mass from stature increasing come from inside the device? Is life just zapped out from it into a vessel, or does it open a spark that leads to a Spark so to speak? What is it about the energy within that is so deadly to Unicron? How does it bestow this knowledge from the past? Is it just available like a memory, viewable like a file or something else? What else can it do? How?
Don't think we've had a Matrix-specific thread in either a while (early in the original TFL's run) or at all. Thought it might be nice.  _________________ <center>
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm... good call Cov.
The Matrix of Leadership, as granted to the Primes, acts as a gateway to the Allspark/Creation Matrix. The Matrix device itself acting like a mini-spacebridge between the now-reality and a paradimensional "sea of souls" (Creation Matrix/Allspark), which would be comprised of sparks both ancient, old and new/unused.
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Contained within The Creation Matrix/Allspark is hope, emotion, and light, stuff which is out of Unicron's reach, the opposite of everything he stands for. When confronted with it, he'd pause, but when opened inside his physical form via the physical manifestation of the Matrix of Leadership, that power courses through every cable and circuit of Unicron's being. _________________ **Beyond Canine** |
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In the cybertron run, it was a power or some sort, and like the cyberkeys, could open the spacebridees when used with vector primes sword. It also subsituted a cyberkey once in the episode "Titan" where they tryed to close the black hole with only 3 cyber keys. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Optimus & the Matrix...capabilities? |
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| Covenant wrote: | I suppose this should extend into other Primes as well to be truthful.
What is it the Matrix grants?
It alters the outer, and with that inner form of the carryer most times, increasing size & stature. It's a source of life somehow. It has the ability to destroy Unicron with a few eminations. It's said to bestow knowledge from the past.
How? Why?
Does the mass from stature increasing come from inside the device? Is life just zapped out from it into a vessel, or does it open a spark that leads to a Spark so to speak? What is it about the energy within that is so deadly to Unicron? How does it bestow this knowledge from the past? Is it just available like a memory, viewable like a file or something else? What else can it do? How?
Don't think we've had a Matrix-specific thread in either a while (early in the original TFL's run) or at all. Thought it might be nice.  | I think it has to do with Energon. it is some sort of solidified energy. Physics suggests that matter is simply another organization of energy. if so, then the matrix not only reconstructs a body, but also uses energon to crate the necessary matter to not end up with millimeter-thin metal to support a 3-ton+ (in some cases) bodies.
I see energon as being not just fuel, but also having a way to convert it to matter when repair components are short on matter to replace damaged/lost pieces. _________________
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Bubbalou One of the Lost

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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It has a part of primus in it, correct? i think it also contains a part of every prime it has, as well, making it wiser after every prime.
as for the ability to destroy unicron, i think the continuity has it wrong. i see the oracle sending out tera-amps of energy and every spark in existence being called to send a burst of energy all at the same time to give unicron's spark a massively fatal feedback/overload throughout his body. _________________
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Optimus & the Matrix...capabilities? |
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| Bubbalou wrote: | I think it has to do with Energon. it is some sort of solidified energy. Physics suggests that matter is simply another organization of energy. if so, then the matrix not only reconstructs a body, but also uses energon to crate the necessary matter to not end up with millimeter-thin metal to support a 3-ton+ (in some cases) bodies.
I see energon as being not just fuel, but also having a way to convert it to matter when repair components are short on matter to replace damaged/lost pieces. |
Nice.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: |
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The Matrix also appears to boost physical and mental abilities beyond that of a typical Cybertronian. How does that work? _________________ <center>Now banned in 17 further galaxies! </center> |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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perhaps a sybiote/host relationship?
Does the Matrix have a default underlining personality of it's own? _________________
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Hot-Rod, on becoming Rodimus Prime, seemed to have no problems adapting. I'd guess it would be like plugging in a whole raft of extra processing power to a computer.
But yeah, a reservoir of extra knowledge stored there by previous Primes, too.
I don't think the Matrix has any personality of its own - or maybe it does, and has a serene, calming, amturing effect on them? _________________ <center>Now banned in 17 further galaxies! </center> |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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well, it did chose Rodders..... _________________
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Voodoo wrote: | | I don't think the Matrix has any personality of its own - or maybe it does, and has a serene, calming, amturing effect on them? |
In the comics, during the Matrix Quest, the Matrix 'talked' to itself when deciding which forms of life and new emotions it wanted to experience. It referred to itself as 'us' and 'we'.
Maybe the Matrix is the TF equivalent of LotR's Golem. _________________
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Optimus & the Matrix...capabilities? |
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| Covenant wrote: | | Bubbalou wrote: | I think it has to do with Energon. it is some sort of solidified energy. Physics suggests that matter is simply another organization of energy. if so, then the matrix not only reconstructs a body, but also uses energon to crate the necessary matter to not end up with millimeter-thin metal to support a 3-ton+ (in some cases) bodies.
I see energon as being not just fuel, but also having a way to convert it to matter when repair components are short on matter to replace damaged/lost pieces. |
Nice.  | thanks! figured it to be make perfect sense. been working on that theory for a few years now.
oh, here's another part of my theory on energon: in BW they said that naturally occuring energon never forms on planets. does that mean that it would form in nebulae? all the hot gasses and pressure and ion storms and such may provide RIPE conditions.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Optimus & the Matrix...capabilities? |
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| Bubbalou wrote: |
oh, here's another part of my theory on energon: in BW they said that naturally occuring energon never forms on planets. does that mean that it would form in nebulae? all the hot gasses and pressure and ion storms and such may provide RIPE conditions.
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Nice but you'd have to wonder on that. It seems natural enough on Cybertron, perhaps just not raw like seen in Earth's past. To be honest Energon appears to grow quite nicely on its own once implanted on a planet.
Where in BW did they say raw energon doesn't form on planets though? I can't find a script with that bit in it.. _________________ <center>
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I think in the first one. they said something like "I've never known RAW energon to be naturally ocurring on a planet like this." or something like that. the word "RAW" is the key. now, not raw, STABILIZED energon grows on metallic worlds, presumably, and natural energon i imagine would break down over time if too far from a star or other source of heat and energy. _________________
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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One thing. I never saw the Matrix as choosing Hotrod, more that he got hold of it first and it somehow adapted to him instead of Ultra Magnus. This was the reason Magnus could never use it. Perhaps after a Prime dies the Matrix attaches its self to the first Autobot to touch it?
My theory on the Matrix:
It stores the knowledge like a computer. The bearer has access to that knowledge either when they need it, or it filters through without them being aware. And at the same time their knowledge is being added to it.
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