Potter ups the ante? Release date moved to July 11...

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Two days earlier. No doubt an attempt to nab some money from Op and the gang.

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Warner Brothers has confirmed to MuggleNet that the release date for Order of the Phoenix has been moved to July 11th. No information has been revealed as to why, but no fans should be complaining!

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KneonT · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:41 am Post subject:

Confirmed by the official site as of today...

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Talking To Vapour · Lost Post Whore Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 821

I don't care what anyone says..I learned a little about boxoffice when i used to read boxofficemojo a lot, and a juggernaut opening shortly after Transformers is going to have a major impact on the Bayformers performance.

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sentinel maximus · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:35 am Post subject:

I can't stand Potter and I don't like Bayformers. I never thought I would never here myself say this,...but I hope Potter 'creams' Transformers at the box office! The insanity has to end with these horrible designs! Evil or Very Mad

I wonder if Potter n' company took into account the negativity surrounding the TF movie to ambush it? I know movie companies do this all the time and might have done this regardless.

On another note: I seen a quick blurb from Tom DeSanto saying "I was a huge fan of X-Men and Transformers when I was younger. Some changes where made with X-Men and your gonna expect some changes with TF." Watch all the 'heads', when talking about the movie, open with defending the drastic changes.

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poisoncow · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:42 am Post subject:

In all honesty I don't think Potter getting bumped is going to make any difference. I think most of the money TF's makes (as with most) is going to be in it's opening weekend. With the deluge of Big Budget affairs this summer I think it's pretty much what any of the studios would have to expect. If for some unexplained reason TF's ends up being a good flick (I don't know how) then maybe it'll have some longevity, but I think nostalgia will hit for a week, maybe two (doubtful) and then the drop off will be fast and fierce.

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King of Kings · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:59 am Post subject:

In the UK Transformers and the Simpsons will be competing head to head with both films being released on July 27.

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Autobloke · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:24 am Post subject:

Nice to see Bay's movie doesn't 'scare' every film into shifting their release date away from it.

Thing is, people have seen enough Potter movies by now. Is there really going to be anything new to come from Potter? I doubt a couple of days will make a huge difference to anything.

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KneonT · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:30 am Post subject:

Autobloke wrote:

Thing is, people have seen enough Potter movies by now. Is there really going to be anything new to come from Potter? I doubt a couple of days will make a huge difference to anything.

Not really, but the last book comes out July 21. It's quite possibly the most anticipated work of fiction ever.

Thinking on it, the move may have less to do with TF and more to do with the book.

Think about it -- all the Potter kids will lock themselves in their rooms the week of July 21 to read the last book. Few of them will go near a theatre.

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sentinel maximus wrote:

I can't stand Potter and I don't like Bayformers. I never thought I would never here myself say this,...but I hope Potter 'creams' Transformers at the box office! The insanity has to end with these horrible designs! Evil or Very Mad

I wonder if Potter n' company took into account the negativity surrounding the TF movie to ambush it? I know movie companies do this all the time and might have done this regardless.

On another note: I seen a quick blurb from Tom DeSanto saying "I was a huge fan of X-Men and Transformers when I was younger. Some changes where made with X-Men and your gonna expect some changes with TF." Watch all the 'heads', when talking about the movie, open with defending the drastic changes.

Do you read the books? I was put off by the Potter hype at first too, but after reading the novels, my opinion changed drastically. very Roald Dahl-ish..great works of imagination in my book, as it's not easy to craft an entire world (most of which never makes it into the books proper).

As for DeSanto...well he seems more of a fan than some on the production, but don't forget he wanted celeb voices until Murphy convinced him otherwise...plus, comparing the changes in X-Men (where you could still tell who each character was easily) and the Tranformers "changes" is a little odd considering the magnitude of the "reimagining" TFs has gone under during Bay's rancid tenure. Also, if they're being open about the changes, more fool them, thinking they can better a classic series and 80s touchstone.

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Autobloke · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject:

I still laugh when I see runs of posts where people are trying to work out which BayFormer is which in the trailers and TV spots and most of them can't agree on the identity of a robot from a certain scene.

One bag of spanners looks very much like another bag of spanners...

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Autobloke wrote:

I still laugh when I see runs of posts where people are trying to work out which BayFormer is which in the trailers and TV spots and most of them can't agree on the identity of a robot from a certain scene.

One bag of spanners looks very much like another bag of spanners...

Be fair bloke. Even if the bots were straight G1, in chaotic, fast-moving, 2 second scenes which don't feature good looks at the robots, you couldn't tell if it was Sideswipe, Windcharger or Ironhide.

When you do get a good look at the bots (which if you'll notice are none of the sequences anybody is arguing about) it's not hard to tell at all who is who.

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Autobloke · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject:

Perhaps. But it still amuses me to read such posts when Bay's versions are being touted as such great designs. Surely fast motion and blurring should've been taken into account when they were designed so people didn't have to tax their brains when seeing them in action to work out who that was that just ran across the screen (espescially when in a chaotic battle involving all the characters). Certainly the Decepticons have more of a problem than the Autobots - at least Prime and co can fall back on mostly being easy-read colourcoded. Although Ironhide is likely to get mixed up with the Decepticons a bit perhaps.

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Bayformers designs = indecipherable gobbledy-gook.

It took me several minutes of rewinding the second trailer to tell which end of Ironhide was up. I don't think too many people are going to consider that fun in a movie theater after paying money. They scream about specil effects, but the designs have sabotaged the efficacy of the special effects.

The fact that the toys didn't even TRY to emulate that shredded beer can look is proof positive it was a bad idea.

Master Fwiffo · Lost Addict Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 178

Evolusionary wrote:

Bayformers designs = indecipherable gobbledy-gook.

It took me several minutes of rewinding the second trailer to tell which end of Ironhide was up. I don't think too many people are going to consider that fun in a movie theater after paying money.

Their first look at him won't be in the middle of a flip. :rolleyes:

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The fact that the toys didn't even TRY to emulate that shredded beer can look is proof positive it was a bad idea.

No, it proves the designs were too complex to emulate into a toy. Which is a GOOD thing.

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Autobloke wrote:

I still laugh when I see runs of posts where people are trying to work out which BayFormer is which in the trailers and TV spots and most of them can't agree on the identity of a robot from a certain scene.

One bag of spanners looks very much like another bag of spanners...

Yeah, that's pretty much the acid test for the designs. I've seen Ironhide referred to as Brawl in the ;atest clip and people can't make out Ratchet's head. I thought Megatron looked extremely similar to Starscream when he transfoirmed and landed too.

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Talking To Vapour · Lost Post Whore Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 821

As for G1 looks also being hard to decipher in a live-action context..one of the hallmarks of that series is large vehicle parts that help you tell the 'bots apart. Even if G1 Ironhide, Hoist and Bumblebee had their heads blacked out you would know who was who, so i can't agree at all that they'd be hard to disniguish from each other. The film 'bots' shredded vehicle frames make them all look a lot like each other, Ironhide resembles Brawl and Blackout, Bumblebee has been confused wity Ratchet, and so forth.

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Master Fwiffo · Lost Addict Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 178

Talking To Vapour wrote:

As for G1 looks also being hard to decipher in a live-action context..one of the hallmarks of that series is large vehicle parts that help you tell the 'bots apart. Even if G1 Ironhide, Hoist and Bumblebee had their heads blacked out you would know who was who, so i can't agree at all that they'd be hard to disniguish from each other. The film 'bots' shredded vehicle frames make them all look a lot like each other, Ironhide resembles Brawl and Blackout, Bumblebee has been confused wity Ratchet, and so forth.

Lets talk the *other* TF movie for a moment here.

In the battle of Autobot City, while the cons are flying around, at one point you see someone red flying toward the camera. Who is that? Is it a red reflector, Ironhide, Perceptor, or someone else?

Who is it Blaster shoots from his tower?

Who's leg runs past Bumblebee (who shouldn't have been there, but I digress).

Who *did* turn into Scourge? And how do you come to that conclusion?

And bear in mind that if I so felt like it, I could argue with each and every answer you give me, because its HARD TO MAKE OUT WHEN THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST.

Obviously the boxy design is incoherent and you can't distingiush them from one another. Rolling Eyes

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As an example though, the Ratchet & Ironhide shot is a clear scene of the two of them, completely visibile, without the chaos of a battle like Autobot City with its hundreds of combatants. If Ironhide is that indistinct is a scene where he is merely taking a step, then that doesn't bode well for the more hectic battle scenes.

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sentinel maximus · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:

Talking To Vapour wrote:

Do you read the books? I was put off by the Potter hype at first too, but after reading the novels, my opinion changed drastically. very Roald Dahl-ish..great works of imagination in my book, as it's not easy to craft an entire world (most of which never makes it into the books proper).

In all fairness, no I haven't given the books a chance and maybe I should. I like LOTR and I had heard the books are terrible so I must've took the same approach.

Master Fwiffo wrote:

Lets talk the *other* TF movie for a moment here.

In the battle of Autobot City, while the cons are flying around, at one point you see someone red flying toward the camera. Who is that? Is it a red reflector, Ironhide, Perceptor, or someone else?

Who is it Blaster shoots from his tower?

Who's leg runs past Bumblebee (who shouldn't have been there, but I digress).

Who *did* turn into Scourge? And how do you come to that conclusion?

And bear in mind that if I so felt like it, I could argue with each and every answer you give me, because its HARD TO MAKE OUT WHEN THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST.

Obviously the boxy design is incoherent and you can't distingiush them from one another. Rolling Eyes

It so easy to beat up on the cartoon which alot of people do. Yes you see similar robots with different colors. I'm sure story wise there where other autobot warriors besides the ones we've got to know through the comics and the cartoons. Animators where tasked with making the battle look huge and it was real easy to take pre-existing TFs and just recolored em'.

Many of the Transformers had the same look as others. Take Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen, & Jazz. For toys, Hasbro does it to pump out more toys for cash by simply re-coloring them. Story wise maybe being a certain model is like how us humans have different races. The Decepticon seeker jets where suppose to be clone warriors.

You may not agree with my answer. I guess we all view Transformers differently. You pick it apart and find fault. I forgive its transgressions because it is a cartoon.

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Master Fwiffo · Lost Addict Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 178

sentinel maximus wrote:

Master Fwiffo wrote:

Lets talk the *other* TF movie for a moment here.

In the battle of Autobot City, while the cons are flying around, at one point you see someone red flying toward the camera. Who is that? Is it a red reflector, Ironhide, Perceptor, or someone else?

Who is it Blaster shoots from his tower?

Who's leg runs past Bumblebee (who shouldn't have been there, but I digress).

Who *did* turn into Scourge? And how do you come to that conclusion?

And bear in mind that if I so felt like it, I could argue with each and every answer you give me, because its HARD TO MAKE OUT WHEN THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST.

Obviously the boxy design is incoherent and you can't distingiush them from one another. Rolling Eyes

It so easy to beat up on the cartoon which alot of people do. Yes you see similar robots with different colors. I'm sure story wise there where other autobot warriors besides the ones we've got to know through the comics and the cartoons. Animators where tasked with making the battle look huge and it was real easy to take pre-existing TFs and just recolored em'.

Many of the Transformers had the same look as others. Take Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen, & Jazz. For toys, Hasbro does it to pump out more toys for cash by simply re-coloring them. Story wise maybe being a certain model is like how us humans have different races. The Decepticon seeker jets where suppose to be clone warriors.

You may not agree with my answer. I guess we all view Transformers differently. You pick it apart and find fault. I forgive its transgressions because it is a cartoon.

Dude you missed the point. I'm not faulting the G1 movie, I'm arguing that because some people can't tell who's-who in a fast moving 2-second clip of an action sequence DOESN'T mean they're badly designed.

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Talking To Vapour wrote:

As for G1 looks also being hard to decipher in a live-action context..one of the hallmarks of that series is large vehicle parts that help you tell the 'bots apart. Even if G1 Ironhide, Hoist and Bumblebee had their heads blacked out you would know who was who, so i can't agree at all that they'd be hard to disniguish from each other. The film 'bots' shredded vehicle frames make them all look a lot like each other, Ironhide resembles Brawl and Blackout, Bumblebee has been confused wity Ratchet, and so forth.

Dead on.

Autobloke · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject:

Master Fwiffo wrote:

Dude you missed the point. I'm not faulting the G1 movie, I'm arguing that because some people can't tell who's-who in a fast moving 2-second clip of an action sequence DOESN'T mean they're badly designed

The makers of the '86 movie had to work with the characters that had already been established in the tv series and comics (and the very simplified designs derived from the toys to make the tv show animation cheaper and easier) The only ones they weren't as limited with were the new TFs introduced in the movie, but you were on about the older ones in your post, yes? The new '86 movie characters are less likely to be confused since they don't share toys molds with each other (apart from the Sweeps sharing Scourge's design, and to a lesser extent, Cyclonus' 'Armada' sharing his toy design). The ones in Bay's movie had no such limitations as they were designed specifically for the new movie and the media of a fast-moving live-action film, and yet they made designs where people are still confused as to who is who. It's a pretty big design fail in my opinion.

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sentinel maximus · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

Autobloke wrote:

Master Fwiffo wrote:

Dude you missed the point. I'm not faulting the G1 movie, I'm arguing that because some people can't tell who's-who in a fast moving 2-second clip of an action sequence DOESN'T mean they're badly designed

The makers of the '86 movie had to work with the characters that had already been established in the tv series and comics (and the very simplified designs derived from the toys to make the tv show animation cheaper and easier) The only ones they weren't as limited with were the new TFs introduced in the movie, but you were on about the older ones in your post, yes? The new '86 movie characters are less likely to be confused since they don't share toys molds with each other (apart from the Sweeps sharing Scourge's design, and to a lesser extent, Cyclonus' 'Armada' sharing his toy design). The ones in Bay's movie had no such limitations as they were designed specifically for the new movie and the media of a fast-moving live-action film, and yet they made designs where people are still confused as to who is who. It's a pretty big design fail in my opinion.

Thank U Blokey! Someone knows where I'm coming from. Wink

Fwiffo, I know what your saying duder. I have to defend it. Who cares if you can't tell whos who. Its a huge battle scene with lots of cannon robots that nobody should give a rats ass about thats all. Its just fodder.

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Autobloke wrote:

Master Fwiffo wrote:

Dude you missed the point. I'm not faulting the G1 movie, I'm arguing that because some people can't tell who's-who in a fast moving 2-second clip of an action sequence DOESN'T mean they're badly designed

The makers of the '86 movie had to work with the characters that had already been established in the tv series and comics (and the very simplified designs derived from the toys to make the tv show animation cheaper and easier) The only ones they weren't as limited with were the new TFs introduced in the movie, but you were on about the older ones in your post, yes? The new '86 movie characters are less likely to be confused since they don't share toys molds with each other (apart from the Sweeps sharing Scourge's design, and to a lesser extent, Cyclonus' 'Armada' sharing his toy design). The ones in Bay's movie had no such limitations as they were designed specifically for the new movie and the media of a fast-moving live-action film, and yet they made designs where people are still confused as to who is who. It's a pretty big design fail in my opinion.

I think your wrong because its silly, but whatever.

BTW, in case you missed it...

TF moved its date up two days as well. Very Happy

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King of Kings · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:

Master Fwiffo wrote:

TF moved its date up two days as well. Very Happy

Don't gloat, we have to wait until July 27 in the UK.

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